Wednesday, July 31, 2013

[papercreters] Re: Papercrete and Extreme Couponing, the perfect partnership?



JayH,
 
I have used coupons, but rarely use any now. It's unusual for me to see coupons for the healthier types of foods, for example.
 
There are a lot of blogs online though that could give you a feel for couponing. On Coupon Mom for example once you register and log in (for free) you can search stores in your area and she has lists that match current sales to current coupons and show the final price. Hers is one of MANY blogs and resources online.
 
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete and Extreme Couponing, the perfect partnership?

Greetings,
For the other side of the coin. I have found couponing did no good for
us. Once in a while I can get real whole food, such as eggs or butter,
but mostly it is just prepared foods. If you eat that stuff, you can
save money, but if you don't, it doesn't work.

My toothpaste is my own home made soap. Same with all cleaning supplies
and shampoo etc. I need specific toilet paper since I use a microflush
composting toilet, so no coupons. We don't use napkins or paper towels.

I have yet to find my organic, free trade coffee on coupon. Dairy these
days is from our own grass fed cow. Salt never seems to be on coupon,
or organic pepper.

How much you can save on coupons really depends on what you buy. We
found we save even more money by making/growing our own not buying.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 7/31/2013 9:36 AM, trendawareness wrote:
> I do papercrete while my wife and daughters do coupons.
>
> Here's the bottom line.
>
> Yes, you can save a lot of money with the skillful use of coupons, but
> like with papercrete, there's a lot of labor required.
>
> Not only does it take a lot of time to clip the coupons, but they must
> be cataloged (not just sorted) in order for them to be matched to future
> store sales and promotions.
>
> Where you get the most bang for the coupon is matching an older coupon
> with a new sale where you can apply the coupon to the sale price. Done
> skillfully, savings of 75% on a particular product is very doable. Then,
> wherever possible, you buy in bulk during the sales to maximize your
> long-term savings.
>
> The art of couponing is the adjustments to the ever-changing coupon
> policies. Some stores will double coupons, others restrict how many you
> can use in a single transactions. The latest variation is the mandatory
> use of electronic coupons before paper coupons, restricting your ability
> to decide which coupon you wish to use first.
>
> Another dimension is keeping track of multiple stores, although if you
> live rural, as many papercreters do, this may not be an option. I'm a
> suburban papercreter, so the wife has three major grocery chains nearby
> and the savings more than offsets the few extra miles.
>
> With all this said, the downside is that hard-core couponing requires
> 20-30 hours of work per week. Yes, it can be a full or part-time job and
> if you have a large family, but the potential savings can be the
> equivalent to working a part-time job. In other words, rather than
> picking up a minimum wage part-time job, you or your teen could "make"
> just as much money couponing 20 hours a week.
>
> If you don't have that much time, then realistically you can still knock
> 25% - 50% off your typical grocery bill using coupons coupled with other
> frugal living techniques, such as shopping the sales, buying in bulk,
> canning & freezing, etc.
>
> I hope all this helps.
>
> Now my rant against the "extreme couponing" TV shows. Like the
> "prepping" shows, they are not representative of the community as a
> whole as they seek to sensationalize things using staged events. Most
> hard-working couponers are the humble hard-working type who detest the
> materialistic orgies depicted in the coupon shows.
>
> While a serious couponer will have a shelf full of toothpaste or toilet
> paper, but they know they actually need such things and they'll be used
> over time. But for someone to clear out a shelf of diapers when they
> don't have any babies is discourteous to other shoppers and little more
> than vane trophy collecting.
>
> In response, the coupon shows have emphasized that many couponers donate
> what they don't need to charity, which is often true, but that does
> little to excuse their crass, orchestrated sensationalism. Again, much
> like the so-called "prepping" and "survival" shows.
>
> My two cents....
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:papercreters%40yahoogroups.com>, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've used the occasional coupon, but from what I'm being told, there
> are people that get rather crazy about it and collect hundreds or
> thousands of coupons in an attempt to get truckloads of free or very
> cheap stuff. I guess there are people that are willing to even purchase
> coupons from others because it saves more money than they spend buying
> coupons.
> >
> > Anybody done it? Anybody partnering with a coupon collector?
> >
> > Could it be profitable for a papercreter to take the time to sort
> through their paper supply to set aside whatever coupons might be in there?
> >
> >
> > I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. I'm just asking
> questions, and would be interested in learning about other's experiences.
> >
>
>
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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete and Extreme Couponing, the perfect partnership?

I do papercrete while my wife and daughters do coupons.

Here's the bottom line.

Yes, you can save a lot of money with the skillful use of coupons, but like with papercrete, there's a lot of labor required.

Not only does it take a lot of time to clip the coupons, but they must be cataloged (not just sorted) in order for them to be matched to future store sales and promotions.

Where you get the most bang for the coupon is matching an older coupon with a new sale where you can apply the coupon to the sale price. Done skillfully, savings of 75% on a particular product is very doable. Then, wherever possible, you buy in bulk during the sales to maximize your long-term savings.

The art of couponing is the adjustments to the ever-changing coupon policies. Some stores will double coupons, others restrict how many you can use in a single transactions. The latest variation is the mandatory use of electronic coupons before paper coupons, restricting your ability to decide which coupon you wish to use first.

Another dimension is keeping track of multiple stores, although if you live rural, as many papercreters do, this may not be an option. I'm a suburban papercreter, so the wife has three major grocery chains nearby and the savings more than offsets the few extra miles.

With all this said, the downside is that hard-core couponing requires 20-30 hours of work per week. Yes, it can be a full or part-time job and if you have a large family, but the potential savings can be the equivalent to working a part-time job. In other words, rather than picking up a minimum wage part-time job, you or your teen could "make" just as much money couponing 20 hours a week.

If you don't have that much time, then realistically you can still knock 25% - 50% off your typical grocery bill using coupons coupled with other frugal living techniques, such as shopping the sales, buying in bulk, canning & freezing, etc.

I hope all this helps.

Now my rant against the "extreme couponing" TV shows. Like the "prepping" shows, they are not representative of the community as a whole as they seek to sensationalize things using staged events. Most hard-working couponers are the humble hard-working type who detest the materialistic orgies depicted in the coupon shows.

While a serious couponer will have a shelf full of toothpaste or toilet paper, but they know they actually need such things and they'll be used over time. But for someone to clear out a shelf of diapers when they don't have any babies is discourteous to other shoppers and little more than vane trophy collecting.

In response, the coupon shows have emphasized that many couponers donate what they don't need to charity, which is often true, but that does little to excuse their crass, orchestrated sensationalism. Again, much like the so-called "prepping" and "survival" shows.

My two cents....








--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>
> I've used the occasional coupon, but from what I'm being told, there are people that get rather crazy about it and collect hundreds or thousands of coupons in an attempt to get truckloads of free or very cheap stuff. I guess there are people that are willing to even purchase coupons from others because it saves more money than they spend buying coupons.
>
> Anybody done it? Anybody partnering with a coupon collector?
>
> Could it be profitable for a papercreter to take the time to sort through their paper supply to set aside whatever coupons might be in there?
>
>
> I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. I'm just asking questions, and would be interested in learning about other's experiences.
>




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[papercreters] Papercrete and Extreme Couponing, the perfect partnership?

I've used the occasional coupon, but from what I'm being told, there are people that get rather crazy about it and collect hundreds or thousands of coupons in an attempt to get truckloads of free or very cheap stuff. I guess there are people that are willing to even purchase coupons from others because it saves more money than they spend buying coupons.

Anybody done it? Anybody partnering with a coupon collector?

Could it be profitable for a papercreter to take the time to sort through their paper supply to set aside whatever coupons might be in there?


I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. I'm just asking questions, and would be interested in learning about other's experiences.



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Monday, July 29, 2013

[papercreters] Re: Cellulose Insulation




Dave...  if you   MIX outdoors anyway  the ammonia  smell goes away doesn't it?   or is it still too strong a smell while wet?    

or wear a respirator mask if doing wall infill inside?...  I do remember the stink, but forget how long it took to dissipate.

 this stuff, when mixed with clay, or  lime makes a very creamy plaster, and goes on beautifully over papercrete walls or other walls, even drywall.

mixing  cellulose with eps is brilliant, I bet it keeps those beads from floating all over during the mixing process.
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Friday, July 26, 2013

[papercreters] Re: Cellulose Insulation

I use bales of cellulose because they are very convenient (compressed, dry, ready to mix). In my formula I use about 1/3 of a bale (which cost about $8-9 around here) and one bag of portland, along with about 5-7 cubic feet of EPS beads to make one batch of fairly stout EPIC. Adding more EPS will give more volume but less strength.

The blown cellulose fiber is treated with boric acid which reacts with the portland to give off a nasty ammonia smell so its not suitable for indoor use. I use either a gas powered (towable) mortar mixer or an electric hand held mortar mixer, depending on how many batches I need to make.

A set of pictures of the dome built from this material is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/papercreters/photos/album/861895350/pic/list



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Tuesday, July 23, 2013

[papercreters] FW: Fibercrete Mixer [5 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from JUDITH WILLIAMS included below]

I got this email today so am forwarding in case there is anyone in the group who would like to buy the mixer.



Follow progress on the new project on my papercrete Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Papercrete/390380804327169

More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith


From: slcalvin@mac.com
Subject: re: Fibercrete Mixer
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:40:08 -0600
To: williams_Judith@hotmail.com

Hi Judith,

How are you doing? Hope your summer is going well.

We have decided to sell our fibercrete mixer and I am not on the Yahoo site for papercrete anymore and was wondering if you knew of anyone who might be interested in buying this mixer?

It has a Tecumsah engine with approx 50 hours on it. Mixes 50 gallons of paper and water. Was very efficient and fast and is
still in great condition, we will throw in the cart as well. My squidoo lens shows pictures of Aaron using the mixer and cart,http://www.squidoo.com/buildagreenhome. We are asking $500.00 for mixer and cart. If you know anyone, Aaron's number is 719-937-1607. Current Pictures are below.

Thanks,

Sharron




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[papercreters] Re: Question....problem. pole barn- papercrete IFC ideas

AIUI the main purpose of siding (we seldom use it here) is to keep rain off, and contain fibreglass insulation. So burlap plus bitumen would make more sense, it would make basic homebrewed shingles.

But like pvc, bitumen forms a vapour barrier and if you have that on the outside of insulation it must be vented enough to allow condensation to run out, dont try and seal it up tight.

If you could use synthetic scrap cloth rather than burlap it would last longer. Use fibreglass and it lasts even longer.


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> Hi we bought an old old old old fixer upper house.
>
> We can not afford to rebuild after the fire last yr.
>
> The siding on.this house is bad very very bad.  Can not afford to replace.
>
> I.do have a free supply of burlap bags.
>
> Could we dip them in papercreate and nail them up or is somekind of cheap cement mix.
>
> It looks so bad and I would love to do something this fall.
>
> Please any and all ideas welcome.
>
> C
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Sunday, July 21, 2013

Re: [papercreters] Re: free paper source



Don't you mean concrete blocks Tom?
Or do you still have a coal fired power plant in your area and still see they are making blocks from the cinders.
Those are a darker gray and lighter weight block that are very rare around here since they shut down the old coal fired power plant here many years ago.
There are several of those old cinder blocks at my mother's house but those are the only ones I know about.

Alan in Michigan



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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: free paper source



We get our paper from our local recycle yard....they're glad that somebody local takes it instead of having to ship it 150 miles to Odessa, TX.   I believe the ideal situation would be to have a mixer, tow or otherwise at one's local recycle yard if there is one, where someone would be paid by the city to make blocks out of the paper that comes in.  The blocks could be stacked and sold to contractors which would generate money for the city. 
 Maybe that could be the future....or maybe just a pipe dream.  Stick houses and cinder block seem to be the norm for now.






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[papercreters] Re: free paper source



We get our paper from our local recycle yard....they're glad that somebody local takes it instead of having to ship it 150 miles to Odessa, TX.   I believe the ideal situation would be to have a mixer, tow or otherwise at one's local recycle yard if there is one, where someone would be paid by the city to make blocks out of the paper that comes in.  The blocks could be stacked and sold to contractors which would generate money for the city. 
 Maybe that could be the future....or maybe just a pipe dream.  Stick houses and cinder block seem to be the norm for now.


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[papercreters] Re: free paper source

No go on the newspaper rolls here. Yes they give it away but there is a $2 deposit on the core which you get back when you return it. With price of gas its not worth the bother. Just our situation here in Dallas. Might work elsewhere.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Charmaine Taylor <charmainertaylor@...> wrote:
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> our local small newspaper always is offering the ends of the paper
> rolls..these are prolly big, but not unmanageable, and as it's newsprint,
> it may break down easier in mixer..and it will be clean for sure.
>
> i'd call the news paper publisher in your area.
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> www.papercrete.com
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> man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be
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[papercreters] Re: free paper source

In our community, we have developmentally disabled adults who shred for all of the local companies. I picked up three hundred trash bags of shred last week-end.

I'm just starting papercrete, but it's nice to know that I have two people shredding forty hours per week to provide me with paper. Having it all shredded makes for easy mixing.

Hmmm... I'm going to have to pick up some more today... hope it's not too much...

- Paul



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Saturday, July 20, 2013

[papercreters] free paper source



our local small newspaper always is offering the ends of the paper rolls..these are prolly big, but not unmanageable, and as it's newsprint, it  may break down easier in mixer..and it will be clean for sure.

i'd call the news paper publisher in your area.
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

I had the opposite experience here. Everyone I talked to had a contract
with a Mexican company that buys the paper from them and hauls it across
the border. Nobody would tell me the name of the company or give me any
contact information.

I had friends save their newspapers and junk mail for me but that wasn't
enough and they eventually got tired of it. I ended up buying paper at
three times the market value from a recycling company, in 1,500# bales.
Thankfully one of the company's drivers lives not far from me, and will
make me his last load of the day on the way home. It's not easy getting
a bale off a flatbed without a forklift!

Living on the border isn't good if you want junk or recyclables. That
sort of thing is valuable "over there".

spaceman

On 7/20/2013 10:25 AM, zenseeker70 wrote:
> I just call the local trash company and ask them what they do with their paper. Typically they have to truck it long distances and are not compensated much for it. They just barely break even on hauling it. So I asked them if they would give me some paper, they were not only more than happy to drop off 2-4 ton at a time, but said it saved them alot of work and headache to do so.
>
> It is alot of paper to deal with at one time, but it's worth it.
>
> Tad
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>> Many banks, hospitals, lawyers' offices, accountants, and other offices that deal with very large amounts of confidential paperwork often pay for professional shredding services to come and take stuff by the ton to destroy for them.
>>
>> In the right situation, an enterprising Papercreter might actually be able to set up a small business where one could make some money chopping up large amounts of paper by the ton.
>>
>> You'd need to be able to respond to requests on the customer's timetable though. You won't win many customers over by responding, "I'll be over to pick it up in the late spring once construction season starts." You also won't be allowed to pick up the documents and hold them till you need to build something.
>>
>> It probably makes sense for someone that is planning on making lots of blocks, and has an indoor area where they can mix papercrete and make blocks year round.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ion Gorun <gorunweb@> wrote:
>>> Banks have to shred all paper they thorw away.
>>>
>>> Furniture stores throw away tons of cardboard.
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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

I just call the local trash company and ask them what they do with their paper. Typically they have to truck it long distances and are not compensated much for it. They just barely break even on hauling it. So I asked them if they would give me some paper, they were not only more than happy to drop off 2-4 ton at a time, but said it saved them alot of work and headache to do so.

It is alot of paper to deal with at one time, but it's worth it.

Tad

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
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> Many banks, hospitals, lawyers' offices, accountants, and other offices that deal with very large amounts of confidential paperwork often pay for professional shredding services to come and take stuff by the ton to destroy for them.
>
> In the right situation, an enterprising Papercreter might actually be able to set up a small business where one could make some money chopping up large amounts of paper by the ton.
>
> You'd need to be able to respond to requests on the customer's timetable though. You won't win many customers over by responding, "I'll be over to pick it up in the late spring once construction season starts." You also won't be allowed to pick up the documents and hold them till you need to build something.
>
> It probably makes sense for someone that is planning on making lots of blocks, and has an indoor area where they can mix papercrete and make blocks year round.
>
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Ion Gorun <gorunweb@> wrote:
> >
> > Banks have to shred all paper they thorw away.
> >
> > Furniture stores throw away tons of cardboard.
> >
> >
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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

Many banks, hospitals, lawyers' offices, accountants, and other offices that deal with very large amounts of confidential paperwork often pay for professional shredding services to come and take stuff by the ton to destroy for them.

In the right situation, an enterprising Papercreter might actually be able to set up a small business where one could make some money chopping up large amounts of paper by the ton.

You'd need to be able to respond to requests on the customer's timetable though. You won't win many customers over by responding, "I'll be over to pick it up in the late spring once construction season starts." You also won't be allowed to pick up the documents and hold them till you need to build something.

It probably makes sense for someone that is planning on making lots of blocks, and has an indoor area where they can mix papercrete and make blocks year round.




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> Furniture stores throw away tons of cardboard.
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Friday, July 19, 2013

Re: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.



Yes it is. I recently had at least 50 of them dropped off here by someone that said they werer having trouble finding a place to recycle them.
When I told them how I was going to recycle them they loved it.
They will be bringing me newspaper and cardboard.

Alan in Michigan



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Subject: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

Feedbags to feed a papercrete mixer.  Seems appropriate.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
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> Greetings,
> In some cities, plucking the newspaper from the recycle boxes can get
> you charged with theft.  Find out first what your cities attitude is.
>
> Another suggestion:  If you local feed mill uses all paper bags, they
> are great and most recycle places won't take them.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
> On 7/18/2013 7:58 AM, john mcginnis wrote:
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> > * In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it
> > out of the green boxes on trash day.
> >
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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

Feedbags to feed a papercrete mixer. Seems appropriate.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Garth & Kim Travis <gartht@...> wrote:
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> Greetings,
> In some cities, plucking the newspaper from the recycle boxes can get
> you charged with theft. Find out first what your cities attitude is.
>
> Another suggestion: If you local feed mill uses all paper bags, they
> are great and most recycle places won't take them.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
> On 7/18/2013 7:58 AM, john mcginnis wrote:
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> > * In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it
> > out of the green boxes on trash day.
> >
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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

That is an awesome arrangement.

I suspect that each postmaster is different and may or may not cooperate in such an arrangment, but it's a great idea.



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> The local post office has been great for us! Phone books...they usually
> get lots more than their box holders need. They also get all kind of sales
> circulars, ours frequently gets little newspapers than many box holders
> don't want and more than they can use.
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> We talked to the postmaster there, and they now leave a package pickup slip
> in our box when they have some for us.
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Thursday, July 18, 2013

Re: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.



The local post office has been great for us!  Phone books...they usually get lots more than their box holders need. They also get all kind of sales circulars, ours frequently gets little newspapers than many box holders don't want and more than they can use.

We talked to the postmaster there, and they now leave a package pickup slip in our box when they have some for us.

Vickey in Alaska


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Re: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.



Banks have to shred all paper they thorw away.

Furniture stores throw away tons of cardboard.






2013/7/18 JayH <slurryguy@yahoo.com>
Good suggestions all, John.  Thanks.

Keep them coming folks.


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> * Walk into a Sams Club and talk to a manager. The ones around here bale
> their cardboard then it sits outside. If it gets wet it has no value to
> them or their recycling partner. They will most likely thank you for
> hauling it off for them. Otherwise its in the trash.
>
> * Ask you neighbors to set aside their paper products and collect them once
> a week.
>
> * In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it out
> of the green boxes on trash day.
>
> * Schools. If they don't already recycle set up a bin for them.
>
> * Copy centers. Tons of waste paper flows thru them. Work up a deal.
>


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
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> I just thought of another category of ideas that really should be included in this thread.
>
> TOOLS OF THE TRADE.
>
> Please mention any tools, equipment, or other items that make the process of collecting, and hauling paper easier, cheaper, and quicker.  Obviously this begins with a good truck and/or a good trailer that can be used to haul paper.  However, don't limit your thinking to transportation only.  Perhaps you have a really cool setup for loading, unloading, sorting, etc, etc, etc.  which saves lots of time and money.  Please let everyone know.
>
> So... that makes 3 categories of ideas for this thread, (and perhaps more categories as we think of them)
>
> SOURCES OF PAPER
> METHODS OF COLLECTION
> TOOLS OF THE TRADE
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

Greetings,
In some cities, plucking the newspaper from the recycle boxes can get
you charged with theft. Find out first what your cities attitude is.

Another suggestion: If you local feed mill uses all paper bags, they
are great and most recycle places won't take them.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 7/18/2013 7:58 AM, john mcginnis wrote:

> * In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it
> out of the green boxes on trash day.
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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

Good suggestions all, John. Thanks.

Keep them coming folks.


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> * Walk into a Sams Club and talk to a manager. The ones around here bale
> their cardboard then it sits outside. If it gets wet it has no value to
> them or their recycling partner. They will most likely thank you for
> hauling it off for them. Otherwise its in the trash.
>
> * Ask you neighbors to set aside their paper products and collect them once
> a week.
>
> * In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it out
> of the green boxes on trash day.
>
> * Schools. If they don't already recycle set up a bin for them.
>
> * Copy centers. Tons of waste paper flows thru them. Work up a deal.
>


--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "JayH" <slurryguy@...> wrote:
>
> I just thought of another category of ideas that really should be included in this thread.
>
> TOOLS OF THE TRADE.
>
> Please mention any tools, equipment, or other items that make the process of collecting, and hauling paper easier, cheaper, and quicker. Obviously this begins with a good truck and/or a good trailer that can be used to haul paper. However, don't limit your thinking to transportation only. Perhaps you have a really cool setup for loading, unloading, sorting, etc, etc, etc. which saves lots of time and money. Please let everyone know.
>
> So... that makes 3 categories of ideas for this thread, (and perhaps more categories as we think of them)
>
> SOURCES OF PAPER
> METHODS OF COLLECTION
> TOOLS OF THE TRADE
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Re: [papercreters] cellulose- poor as papercrete



There is a video of cellulose insulation being mixed in a normal concrete mixer at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbBxpDTFduc&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLXpLRUWa3Pn0

On 7/17/2013 2:02 PM, spaceman wrote:
I used a few bales. First, it is very expensive at about $6 a cubic foot here. As Charmaine says, it stinks like a cat box. That does decrease upon drying.

The panels I cast had a tendency to crumble, no tensile strength to speak of. When you hit one of these panels you get a dull thud instead of a nice ringing knock that sounds like wood with normal pc. I have one bale that I never used, been sitting in the back of my truck for over a year. Nope, didn't like it!

The only advantage that I see is that it does mix easily. Way too many disadvantages to counter that, though.

spaceman


On 7/17/2013 1:10 PM, Charmaine Taylor wrote:
I got some free broken bales of the blow in type..Cocoon brand, they are treated with fire retarder and stink like urine when wet, very acrid, ...smell goes away once dry, also gives no 'omph" or bulk like shredded paper does.  so there is no tensile strength with paper fibers going every direction.. 

 It IS good when mixed with plaster of paris or clay or lime for a wall plaster  tho.  very smooth and goes on nice with a trowel over  most surfaces.
 the paper is so microscopically shredded it is like cotton candy, 

when dry and blown it it traps air, and offer good insulation just not  for casting PC blocks,,,in my experience. 

if I had some free i''d add it to a real  papercrete mix, just to use it up.

 like to hear if some  has made a successful PC product with it.

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* Walk into a Sams Club and talk to a manager. The ones around here bale their cardboard then it sits outside. If it gets wet it has no value to them or their recycling partner. They will most likely thank you for hauling it off for them. Otherwise its in the trash.

* Ask you neighbors to set aside their paper products and collect them once a week.

* In areas where paper is part of the muni recycle mantra just pluck it out of the green boxes on trash day.

* Schools. If they don't already recycle set up a bin for them.

* Copy centers. Tons of waste paper flows thru them. Work up a deal.


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I have used cellulose in a papercrete project. Mixed 2:1:1:1 cell to crete, lime and sand. Purpose was a floated subfloor for a tile patio floor. It has worked great in that application. I tried a few test blocks with left over material and it is not suitable in my mind as a block. Its too easy to chip/crack. It also never quite feels dry in that application as well.


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[papercreters] Re: Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

I just thought of another category of ideas that really should be included in this thread.

TOOLS OF THE TRADE.

Please mention any tools, equipment, or other items that make the process of collecting, and hauling paper easier, cheaper, and quicker. Obviously this begins with a good truck and/or a good trailer that can be used to haul paper. However, don't limit your thinking to transportation only. Perhaps you have a really cool setup for loading, unloading, sorting, etc, etc, etc. which saves lots of time and money. Please let everyone know.

So... that makes 3 categories of ideas for this thread, (and perhaps more categories as we think of them)

SOURCES OF PAPER
METHODS OF COLLECTION
TOOLS OF THE TRADE






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[papercreters] Getting free paper. The collector's encyclopedia.

First, let me start by apologizing. I know it. This topic has been discussed before. Several times we have talked about it.

In spite of that fact, I think there are still lessons to be learned.


Any time I see a thread on papercreters discussing using cellulose insulation in papercrete, I always end up asking myself, "Why? Paper is everywhere. Why would someone pay for a raw material that they can get for free?" Whenever this question pops into my head, I end up with the same 2 answers.

A1. Someone doesn't have a papercrete mixer that is capable of chopping up used paper, and is intimidated, or otherwise restricted, at the prospect of building a papercrete mixer, so they resort to purchasing cellulose insulation instead.

A2. Can't find free paper.


Each person needs to do what is best for their own situation, but I find both answers to be lacking.



So, once again, I think it is appropriate to discuss how, where, when to find free paper (and cardboard.) I invite all of our long time members who have gone down this path before to bear with me, and even to suck it up and contribute to this topic another time.


This time, I want to break this topic up into several categories that I see as important in the paper gathering process.

SOURCES OF PAPER
These are places where people should be encouraged to search for free paper (and cardboard).

METHODS OF COLLECTION
This focuses on tips and tricks of the trade. Not so much where to get the paper, but how. Please discuss the techniques you use that make the process easier, less time consuming, and limit the travel/hauling distances required to collet the paper and transport it to your construction site.


I really would like everyone to contribute in creating a thread that contains every idea for a place to get paper, and every easy method to get the paper where it is needed with minimal effort and minimal cost. I also suggest that our long time members bookmark this thread from the Papercreters message archive, and refer back to it in the future. Every time someone mentions a new source of paper, or a neat trick that makes the collection process easier, quicker, less expensive, or better in any other way, to add it to this thread.

The goal is for this thread to become the authoritative comprehensive how-to reference source for getting free paper. Have every conceivable idea get added to this thread. Even several years from now, if a new idea gets mentioned in another thread, I hope someone will post another new reply to this thread and keep adding to it. At the same time, any time someone asks about finding paper, which is a frequently asked question, it would be great to simply refer them to this forever expanding thread that hopefully will contain just about everything there is to know about collecting paper.

Just a note... I will reply with my own thoughts on this topic later, but I prefer to give everyone else first crack at it.


So, ladies and gents. Dump your paper here.

Your paper collection ideas and suggestions, that is.

Think of this thread as one big giant blue recycling box just for paper collecting ideas.

What works for you? Where are the best places you have found paper/cardboard? Lets get all these answers in one easy to find location.







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