[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

As a former code enforcement officer for my little town, I know it's the
people who are trying to do right by telling on themselves, that get
into the most trouble, because they bring attention to themselves. If
they would have just went about their business and kept a low profile,
most would never have been detected as doing something wrong. What ever
you do, don't bring attention to yourself and if caught play dumb or
like Judith state a different purpose for the building. The governing
bodies take a dim view of people wanting to live in something that
small, without all the frills of big houses.

Bob
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
<williams_judith@...> wrote:
>
>
> You are right Donald. I am in a similar situation being 62 and not
ready in a position to start building again. Those who have been in this
group for a while know that my first project was shut down and I chose
to leave it and start another. The second building was also red tagged
but I called the inspector and explained that it was just a storage she.
He let me know that he could make things very difficult for me but that
if it's just a shed I shoulkd finish it. Since then he has not been
back. What happened with the first shut down was that my neighbor had an
inspection and when the inspector saw my place he felt obligated to
check it out. His coming on my property w/o my permission was not lawful
but would it really be wise to put up a stink?
>
> So my MO now is to keep a very low profile, not draw attention to
myself and keep building. Granted my little buildings don't look like
much. It's hard for most people to believe that anyone would live in a
place like that but that's because they are judging by the wrong
standards. All we really need is a warm dry place, not these huge
Mcmansions that are so popular. I can't believe it when I watch House
Hunters ans see newlyweds who think they need 4000 sf and multiple
bedrooms and bathrooms.
>
> Anyway, I don't mean to get off topic here. I think that anyone who
wants to build with papercrete should give it a try. We should all be
sharing experiences and everything we are learning about and doing with
papercrete. We can't depend on the government to help us and can only
hope they don't interfere with what we are doing.
>
>
>
> Follow progress on the new project at
http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
>
> More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
>
>
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> From: donald1miller@...
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:18:34 -0800
> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?
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> Ok papercreters......You can look at Barry Fuller's roof panels and
compressed blocks and all the rest of the hype but the bottom line is he
builds little sheds for pay per view workshops but the only real houses
he can build are in Mexico. Same with Mike McCain and any other of the
papercrete pioneers. The bottom line is you will not be able to realize
the potential of papercrete because of the resrictive building codes
which are in place to thwart the average person from buiding their own
mortgtage free homes. If you check out the archives on this forum you
will find very few people who have actualy built a liveable house out of
papercrete. There are very few places in this country that do not have
code enforcement. I, unfortunately, live in one which does. I am
building a papercrete house anyway but I will have to be looking over my
shoulder and it really takes away from the enjoyment that one should
have from buillding his own home. I don't know
> what will happen if I get caught or turned in. I am 68 years old and
an experienced builder but I know that will not hold much water with
with the powers that be. And PLEASE don't tell me to work with the
kindly county officials who are only doing their job and wiill work with
you on this. All I can say to this is, BS. These county officials are
only looking to keep and perpetuate their jobs. And if you are trying to
build with an unknown medium they really don't care. You will be
required to build with conventional framing and sheeting and can only
use the papercrete on the outside of the OSB sheeting. If you are
required to do this why bother with the papercrete? If you want to get a
warm fuzzy from using this green medium you will probably have to stick
to building birdhouses,
> --- On Mon, 1/23/12, joel joelincalif@... wrote:
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> From: joel joelincalif@...
> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?
> To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 7:21 PM
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> Take a look at Barry Fuller's site where he's completed or supported
numerous projects with papercrete roofs.
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> http://livinginpaper.org/
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, teri ann tibbetts tatsass@ wrote:
> >
> > ..lex terry in new mexico did...
> > im not sure if he is on this group...
> > i know he is on facebook ...
> >
> > From: Alan rustaholic777@
> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM
> > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof
> panels?
> >
> > Â
> > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof?
> > Alan in Michigan
> >
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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

Yes, I have used the coated burlap (or in my case, I used old bed
blankets and old clothing ) to make large stones for landscaping the my
yard, I first draped coated blankets over an old tub and some buckets to
give it a shape, after dry I poured the interior of the stone with my
formula of PC, it has been laying out in the yard almost a year now and
I don't see any damage.

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "ashokchand2000"
<ashokchand2000@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Countryatheartok,
> Are you suggesting that after a PC roof has been made, it could be
improved by draping over it cement coated burlap of the type shown in
the link?
> Regards
> Ashok
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "countryatheartok" criswells.ok@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Also take a look at these roofs after year out in the weather and
kids
> > climbing on them
> >
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> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@" <prrr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a
long
> > way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a
> > binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert
climate,
> > but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are
> > inadequate.
> > >
> > > I don't fancy my chances with a highly porous roof material with a
> > little added water soluble binder, I can't see it has any realistic
> > chance of keeping dripping wet out of the building.
> > >
> > > The only way I can see that might work for a roof here is to
saturate
> > the topside of the papercrete with bitumen in solvent, using a thin
mix
> > first to get it to penetrate as far as possible. The result would be
> > excessive drying time, making construction problematic. Hopefully
the
> > insulation value of the unsaturated papercrete would prevent too
much
> > condensation, and what does occur could hopefully dry out without
> > dripping. If the material cracks, the roofing would soon saturate.
My
> > thinking is this should be more durable than bitumen felting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
williams_judith@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have experimented with adding latex paint to the mix. The
first
> > batch I did was about 5 gallons paint to my 200 gallon mixer. I
> > plastered a small area of wall just to see what would happen and 5
years
> > later it is still up there. I live in a dry climate so cannot advise
you
> > but I would say it's worth a try. Make a batch and try it out.
> > > > I am thinking of doing something like this when I plaster the
roof I
> > have onthere now. I have a papercrete roof on each building. On the
> > first one I laid down a good base of slurry then placed blocks into
it
> > and covered the whole thing with seems to have worked out OK. On the
> > second building I put down those reed mats they sell at the store.
On
> > top of that I put some of that foil wrapped insulation that comes in
a
> > roll. I put 3 layers of papercrete over that. It hasn't leaked but
is
> > too thin. Some of it has lifted a bit so I'm going to put more
> > papercrete on top of it in the spring. That's where I may add some
paint
> > to the mix.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Follow progress on the new project at
> > http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
> > > >
> > > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: prrr@
> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:31:56 +0000
> > > > Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > > I'm interested in a small papercrete roof, probably for next
year. I
> > live in a wet climte in England, and if I used plain papercrete I'm
sure
> > they'd become saturated with water in winter, and make everything
inside
> > rust & rot. How could that be prevented? I gather a waterproof
> > overcoating tends to cause problems.
> > > >
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> > > > Regards, NT
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> > > >
> > > > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
> > <williams_judith@> wrote:
> > > >
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> > > > > I have done 2 papercrete roofs. I just continued the walls
right
> > up and over the top. Pics are in my blog. I have noticed some cracks
at
> > corners of doors and around the perimeter of the roof itself. I
think
> > adding more cement to the mix would have prevenedt this. I plan to
go
> > around and fill all cracks with expandable foam before plastering. I
am
> > no expert on this. Just learning as I go along. I would think the
Currys
> > in TX had done some papercrete roofs. They are not in this group but
> > have a blog. I will give the link in the next email.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I also experimented with roof panels. I made them about 30" x
48".
> > I made the form, poured half the slurry, set a piece of wire fence
over
> > that (in the middle) then poured the rest. It is important to let it
set
> > up completely before moving it. I moved mine too early and they
warped.
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> > > > > Follow progress on the new project at
> > http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> > > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > From: tatsass@
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:37:34 -0800
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > > > ..lex terry in new mexico did...
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> > > > > im not sure if he is on this group...
> > > >
> > > > > i know he is on facebook ...
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> > > > > From: Alan <rustaholic777@>
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> > > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM
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> > > > > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > > > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof?
> > > >
> > > > > Alan in Michigan
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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

Dear Countryatheartok,
Are you suggesting that after a PC roof has been made, it could be improved by draping over it cement coated burlap of the type shown in the link?
Regards
Ashok
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "countryatheartok" <criswells.ok@...> wrote:
>
>
> Also take a look at these roofs after year out in the weather and kids
> climbing on them
> http://www.ferrocement.com/Roof-repair-2010/roof-repair-10-29-2010.1.htm\
> l
> <http://www.ferrocement.com/Roof-repair-2010/roof-repair-10-29-2010.1.ht\
> ml>
>
>
>
> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@" <prrr@> wrote:
> >
> > 'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a long
> way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a
> binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert climate,
> but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are
> inadequate.
> >
> > I don't fancy my chances with a highly porous roof material with a
> little added water soluble binder, I can't see it has any realistic
> chance of keeping dripping wet out of the building.
> >
> > The only way I can see that might work for a roof here is to saturate
> the topside of the papercrete with bitumen in solvent, using a thin mix
> first to get it to penetrate as far as possible. The result would be
> excessive drying time, making construction problematic. Hopefully the
> insulation value of the unsaturated papercrete would prevent too much
> condensation, and what does occur could hopefully dry out without
> dripping. If the material cracks, the roofing would soon saturate. My
> thinking is this should be more durable than bitumen felting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I have experimented with adding latex paint to the mix. The first
> batch I did was about 5 gallons paint to my 200 gallon mixer. I
> plastered a small area of wall just to see what would happen and 5 years
> later it is still up there. I live in a dry climate so cannot advise you
> but I would say it's worth a try. Make a batch and try it out.
> > > I am thinking of doing something like this when I plaster the roof I
> have onthere now. I have a papercrete roof on each building. On the
> first one I laid down a good base of slurry then placed blocks into it
> and covered the whole thing with seems to have worked out OK. On the
> second building I put down those reed mats they sell at the store. On
> top of that I put some of that foil wrapped insulation that comes in a
> roll. I put 3 layers of papercrete over that. It hasn't leaked but is
> too thin. Some of it has lifted a bit so I'm going to put more
> papercrete on top of it in the spring. That's where I may add some paint
> to the mix.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Follow progress on the new project at
> http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
> > >
> > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
> > >
> > >
> > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: prrr@
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:31:56 +0000
> > > Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?
> > >
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> > > I'm interested in a small papercrete roof, probably for next year. I
> live in a wet climte in England, and if I used plain papercrete I'm sure
> they'd become saturated with water in winter, and make everything inside
> rust & rot. How could that be prevented? I gather a waterproof
> overcoating tends to cause problems.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards, NT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS
> <williams_judith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I have done 2 papercrete roofs. I just continued the walls right
> up and over the top. Pics are in my blog. I have noticed some cracks at
> corners of doors and around the perimeter of the roof itself. I think
> adding more cement to the mix would have prevenedt this. I plan to go
> around and fill all cracks with expandable foam before plastering. I am
> no expert on this. Just learning as I go along. I would think the Currys
> in TX had done some papercrete roofs. They are not in this group but
> have a blog. I will give the link in the next email.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I also experimented with roof panels. I made them about 30" x 48".
> I made the form, poured half the slurry, set a piece of wire fence over
> that (in the middle) then poured the rest. It is important to let it set
> up completely before moving it. I moved mine too early and they warped.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Follow progress on the new project at
> http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > From: tatsass@
> > >
> > > > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:37:34 -0800
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > > ..lex terry in new mexico did...
> > >
> > > > im not sure if he is on this group...
> > >
> > > > i know he is on facebook ...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > > From: Alan <rustaholic777@>
> > >
> > > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM
> > >
> > > > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof?
> > >
> > > > Alan in Michigan
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

There is a county next to this one where the inspection departments have gone broke and shut down. Now people are building what they want to. I just am planning to build shed. Alan --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Donald Miller <donald1miller@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Donald Miller <donald1miller@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels? To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 3:18 AM Ok papercreters......You can look at Barry Fuller's roof panels and compressed blocks and all the rest of the hype but the bottom line is he builds little sheds for pay per view workshops but the only real houses he can build are in Mexico. Same with Mike McCain and any other of the papercrete pioneers. The bottom line is you will not be able to realize the potential of papercrete because of the resrictive building codes which are in place to thwart the average person from buiding their own mortgtage free homes. If you check out the archives on this forum you will find very few people who have actualy built a liveable house out of papercrete. There are very few places in this country that do not have code enforcement. I, unfortunately, live in one which does. I am building a papercrete house anyway but I will have to be looking over my shoulder and it really takes away from the enjoyment that one should have from buillding his own home. I don't know what will happen if I get caught or turned in. I am 68 years old and an experienced builder but I know that will not hold much water with with the powers that be. And PLEASE don't tell me to work with the kindly county officials who are only doing their job and wiill work with you on this. All I can say to this is, BS. These county officials are only looking to keep and perpetuate their jobs. And if you are trying to build with an unknown medium they really don't care. You will be required to build with conventional framing and sheeting and can only use the papercrete on the outside of the OSB sheeting. If you are required to do this why bother with the papercrete? If you want to get a warm fuzzy from using this green medium you will probably have to stick to building birdhouses, --- On Mon, 1/23/12, joel <joelincalif@aim.com> wrote: From: joel <joelincalif@aim.com> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels? To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 7:21 PM   Take a look at Barry Fuller's site where he's completed or supported numerous projects with papercrete roofs. http://livinginpaper.org/ --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, teri ann tibbetts <tatsass@...> wrote: > > ..lex terry in new mexico did... > im not sure if he is on this group... > i know he is on facebook ... > > From: Alan <rustaholic777@...> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels? > >   > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof? > Alan in Michigan >

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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

Hello,

Longtime lurker, first post. I've been following different groups to plan/design/dream about how to build my house once I find my own piece of dirt. Here's another roof option:

Latex Concrete Habitat [Paperback]
Albert Knott (Author), George Nez (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Latex-Concrete-Habitat-Albert-Knott/dp/1412039975

The basic idea:
- Build a relatively simple frame from dimensional lumber. Imagine a four-sided frame laying flat on the ground. Now lift one corner up 90 degrees. Put two such frames together to form a pyramid.
- Basket-weave strips of window screen across the sections. Now you have a hyperbolic paraboloid or hypar.
- Saturate the weave with a mixture of cement and latex (could be paint. Mix must be worked into and though the screen material.
- Repeat 2 or three times.
- Successive layers add increasing amounts of fine dry sand.

Result is a lightweight, weatherproof, thin-shell roof. Strong enough to walk on and support significant snow loads. Frame and first layer of fabric can be built on the ground and then lifted/placed on walls or posts. "Get the roof up and then you've got a place to work." Sounds ideal for papercrete or cob projects where rain is most unwelcome during construction.

The book includes specifics on how to put the frame together, how to stress-test your screen material, weave the screen on the frame and how to do the work with just a few people.

Small and large projects have been built using the technique. I just found the idea interesting from a low-cost construction standpoint.

TSC Global is currently working with the concepts from the book. See http://www.tscglobal.net/product for some project pictures. I'm especially interested in the cross gable design found on their sketches page: http://tscglobal.org/sketches-and-concept-drawings/.

Another project: http://velacreations.blogspot.com/search/label/latex%20concrete

I have no association with the people or company mentioned above other than as a researcher/dreamer.

Dwayne Morrison

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[papercreters] Response to Papaercrete for roof panels

Sorry group, I did not see my reply show up (sent 1/24/12) so sent it again today, then found my response in the spam folder.  My apologies for re-sending.

Ron

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

In my humble experience cement sticks to paper when thrashed.  When a mixer full of PC sits for 10 minutes, water (that looks clean enough to drink), "floats" to the surface.  It really is the paper sinking but the point is that there is no loss of cement to the water dripping away.  When you mix water, paper, cement and some latex, the latex washes away with the water.  If latex paint clean-up is done with water it is water soluble.  I can't see putting latex in with the mix as an economical means of preventing water ingress, nor with it in the finished structure (wall or roof) as a viable means of water egress.  It would be much more efficient to put on the outside it would seem.

 

This issue of roofs of PC is an interesting one.  Roofs are roofs.  They are there to repel water to protect the structure beneath.  Outside of sod roofs (that leaked when heavy or consistent rains fell) most people that don't like drip buckets all over the house have gone to something that works well (shingles of wood, asphalt or tile, or metal roofing.  It would seem reasonable to use PC where its strengths are (insulation, sound deadening, and compressive strength) and leave the roof for the materials that have proven themselves over time.

 

Sure, some have used PC successfully as a roof material, but could everyone?  If you don't live in an arid region, and your waterproofing failed, your roof could fail due to weight, let alone the aforementioned dripping and consequent ruination of the interior.  It can be used in the rafters of the trusses for insulation or sprayed to the underside of the roof itself but needs to be protected by a roof.  Spaceman's domes are built strong so they can withstand the extra weight of added moisture between long intervals of drought and drying.  Similar structures in more moist environs could suffer catastrophic failure due to the added weight (especially if accompanied with a live load of wind).  Why go to all the trouble of building a PC house and then have the roof fail?  In Nick's post he ended with "it should last for years" but it should last for decades if protected properly.

 

I live in Alaska where it rains frequently.  Out in the bush I have come across many old log cabins that would be perfectly livable except the roof is sitting on the floor inside the building.  Old timers used what they had and generally the roof was whipsawn boards, sometimes covered with dirt.   With water penetrating the roof the rot and weight caused the failure but the walls remained intact.  

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'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a long way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert climate, but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are inadequate.

I don't fancy my chances with a highly porous roof material with a little added water soluble binder, I can't see it has any realistic chance of keeping dripping wet out of the building.

The only way I can see that might work for a roof here is to saturate the topside of the papercrete with bitumen in solvent, using a thin mix first to get it to penetrate as far as possible. The result would be excessive drying time, making construction problematic. Hopefully the insulation value of the unsaturated papercrete would prevent too much condensation, and what does occur could hopefully dry out without dripping. If the material cracks, the roofing would soon saturate. My thinking is this should be more durable than bitumen felting.

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You are right Donald. I am in a similar situation being 62 and not ready in a position to start building again. Those who have been in this group for a while know that my first project was shut down and I chose to leave it and start another. The second building was also red tagged but I called the inspector and explained that it was just a storage she. He let me know that he could make things very difficult for me but that if it's just a shed I shoulkd finish it. Since then he has not been back. What happened with the first shut down was that my neighbor had an inspection and when the inspector saw my place he felt obligated to check it out. His coming on my property w/o my permission was not lawful but would it really be wise to put up a stink?

So my MO now is to keep a very low profile, not draw attention to myself and keep building. Granted my little buildings don't look like much. It's hard for most people to believe that anyone would live in a place like that but that's because they are judging by the wrong standards. All we really need is a warm dry place, not these huge Mcmansions that are so popular. I can't believe it when I watch House Hunters ans see newlyweds who think they need 4000 sf and multiple bedrooms and bathrooms.

Anyway, I don't mean to get off topic here. I think that anyone who wants to build with papercrete should give it a try. We should all be sharing experiences and everything we are learning about and doing with papercrete. We can't depend on the government to help us and can only hope they don't interfere with what we are doing.



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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:18:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

 

Ok papercreters......You can look at Barry Fuller's roof panels and compressed blocks and all the rest of the hype but the bottom line is he builds little sheds for pay per view workshops but the only real houses he can build are in Mexico. Same with Mike McCain and any other of the papercrete pioneers. The bottom line is you will not be able to realize the potential of papercrete because of the resrictive building codes which are in place to thwart the average person from buiding their own mortgtage free homes. If you check out the archives on this forum you will find very few people who have actualy built a liveable house out of papercrete. There are very few places in this country that do not have code enforcement. I, unfortunately, live in one which does. I am building a papercrete house anyway but I will have to be looking over my shoulder and it really takes away from the enjoyment that one should have from buillding his own home. I don't know what will happen if I get caught or turned in. I am 68 years old and an experienced builder but I know that will not hold much water with with the powers that be. And PLEASE don't tell me to work with the kindly county officials who are only doing their job and wiill work with you on this. All I can say to this is, BS. These county officials are only looking to keep and perpetuate their jobs. And if you are trying to build with an unknown medium they really don't care. You will be required to build with conventional framing and sheeting and can only use the papercrete on the outside of the OSB sheeting. If you are required to do this why bother with the papercrete? If you want to get a warm fuzzy from using this green medium you will probably have to stick to building birdhouses, --- On Mon, 1/23/12, joel <joelincalif@aim.com> wrote: From: joel <joelincalif@aim.com> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels? To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 7:21 PM   Take a look at Barry Fuller's site where he's completed or supported numerous projects with papercrete roofs. http://livinginpaper.org/ --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, teri ann tibbetts <tatsass@...> wrote: > > ..lex terry in new mexico did... > im not sure if he is on this group... > i know he is on facebook ... > > From: Alan <rustaholic777@...> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels? > >   > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof? > Alan in Michigan >

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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

Thanks for the suggestion. I've no experience with burlapcrete, but I'll admit I found the state of that roof after only 5 years offputting. I also would need the roof to look better due to where I live, so wuold probably want to put it onto polythene covered chip to get a flat smooth roof, but the loss of corrugation would weaken it considerably.

I really would like something that will last better than bitumen felt, which will do upto 20 years. If I cant find better I may just end up sticking with chipboard sarking on timber frame, capped with bitumen felt. Or I might be braver and try bitumen soaked papercrete, I dont know.

Thanks to everyone so far.

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> > 'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a long
> way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a
> binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert climate,
> but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are
> inadequate.
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> > I don't fancy my chances with a highly porous roof material with a
> little added water soluble binder, I can't see it has any realistic
> chance of keeping dripping wet out of the building.
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> > The only way I can see that might work for a roof here is to saturate
> the topside of the papercrete with bitumen in solvent, using a thin mix
> first to get it to penetrate as far as possible. The result would be
> excessive drying time, making construction problematic. Hopefully the
> insulation value of the unsaturated papercrete would prevent too much
> condensation, and what does occur could hopefully dry out without
> dripping. If the material cracks, the roofing would soon saturate. My
> thinking is this should be more durable than bitumen felting.
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> batch I did was about 5 gallons paint to my 200 gallon mixer. I
> plastered a small area of wall just to see what would happen and 5 years
> later it is still up there. I live in a dry climate so cannot advise you
> but I would say it's worth a try. Make a batch and try it out.
> > > I am thinking of doing something like this when I plaster the roof I
> have onthere now. I have a papercrete roof on each building. On the
> first one I laid down a good base of slurry then placed blocks into it
> and covered the whole thing with seems to have worked out OK. On the
> second building I put down those reed mats they sell at the store. On
> top of that I put some of that foil wrapped insulation that comes in a
> roll. I put 3 layers of papercrete over that. It hasn't leaked but is
> too thin. Some of it has lifted a bit so I'm going to put more
> papercrete on top of it in the spring. That's where I may add some paint
> to the mix.
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> http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> they'd become saturated with water in winter, and make everything inside
> rust & rot. How could that be prevented? I gather a waterproof
> overcoating tends to cause problems.
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> up and over the top. Pics are in my blog. I have noticed some cracks at
> corners of doors and around the perimeter of the roof itself. I think
> adding more cement to the mix would have prevenedt this. I plan to go
> around and fill all cracks with expandable foam before plastering. I am
> no expert on this. Just learning as I go along. I would think the Currys
> in TX had done some papercrete roofs. They are not in this group but
> have a blog. I will give the link in the next email.
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> I made the form, poured half the slurry, set a piece of wire fence over
> that (in the middle) then poured the rest. It is important to let it set
> up completely before moving it. I moved mine too early and they warped.
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Re: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

In my humble experience cement sticks to paper when thrashed.  When a mixer full of PC sits for 10 minutes, water (that looks clean enough to drink), "floats" to the surface.  It really is the paper sinking but the point is that there is no loss of cement to the water dripping away.  When you mix water, paper, cement and some latex, the latex washes away with the water.  If latex paint clean-up is done with water it is water soluble.  I can't see putting latex in with the mix as an economical means of preventing water ingress, nor with it in the finished structure (wall or roof) as a viable means of water egress.  It would be much more efficient to put on the outside it would seem.

 

This issue of roofs of PC is an interesting one.  Roofs are roofs.  They are there to repel water to protect the structure beneath.  Outside of sod roofs (that leaked when heavy or consistent rains fell) most people that don't like drip buckets all over the house have gone to something that works well (shingles of wood, asphalt or tile, or metal roofing.  It would seem reasonable to use PC where its strengths are (insulation, sound deadening, and compressive strength) and leave the roof for the materials that have proven themselves over time.

 

Sure, some have used PC successfully as a roof material, but could everyone?  If you don't live in an arid region, and your waterproofing failed, your roof could fail due to weight, let alone the aforementioned dripping and consequent ruination of the interior.  It can be used in the rafters of the trusses for insulation or sprayed to the underside of the roof itself but needs to be protected by a roof.  Spaceman's domes are built strong so they can withstand the extra weight of added moisture between long intervals of drought and drying.  Similar structures in more moist environs could suffer catastrophic failure due to the added weight (especially if accompanied with a live load of wind).  Why go to all the trouble of building a PC house and then have the roof fail?  In Nick's post he ended with "it should last for years" but it should last for decades if protected properly.

 

I live in Alaska where it rains frequently.  Out in the bush I have come across many old log cabins that would be perfectly livable except the roof is sitting on the floor inside the building.  Old timers used what they had and generally the roof was whipsawn boards, sometimes covered with dirt.   With water penetrating the roof the rot and weight caused the failure but the walls remained intact. 

Ron

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From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net>
To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

 

Also take a look at these roofs after year out in the weather and kids climbing on them
http://www.ferrocement.com/Roof-repair-2010/roof-repair-10-29-2010.1.html

 

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@..." <prrr@...> wrote:
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> 'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a long way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert climate, but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are inadequate.
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> I don't fancy my chances with a highly porous roof material with a little added water soluble binder, I can't see it has any realistic chance of keeping dripping wet out of the building.
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> The only way I can see that might work for a roof here is to saturate the topside of the papercrete with bitumen in solvent, using a thin mix first to get it to penetrate as far as possible. The result would be excessive drying time, making construction problematic. Hopefully the insulation value of the unsaturated papercrete would prevent too much condensation, and what does occur could hopefully dry out without dripping. If the material cracks, the roofing would soon saturate. My thinking is this should be more durable than bitumen felting.
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@ wrote:
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> > I am thinking of doing something like this when I plaster the roof I have onthere now. I have a papercrete roof on each building. On the first one I laid down a good base of slurry then placed blocks into it and covered the whole thing with seems to have worked out OK. On the second building I put down those reed mats they sell at the store. On top of that I put some of that foil wrapped insulation that comes in a roll. I put 3 layers of papercrete over that. It hasn't leaked but is too thin. Some of it has lifted a bit so I'm going to put more papercrete on top of it in the spring. That's where I may add some paint to the mix.
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[papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?

Also take a look at these roofs after year out in the weather and kids climbing on them
http://www.ferrocement.com/Roof-repair-2010/roof-repair-10-29-2010.1.html

 

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "prrr.t21@..." <prrr@...> wrote:
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> 'Latex' paints contain pva and/or acrylic binders, which are a long way short of the level of waterproofness needed for outdoor use as a binder here in England. I dare say they'd work in a near desert climate, but over here much more waterproof compounds than those, eg PU, are inadequate.
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> --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@ wrote:
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> > I have experimented with adding latex paint to the mix. The first batch I did was about 5 gallons paint to my 200 gallon mixer. I plastered a small area of wall just to see what would happen and 5 years later it is still up there. I live in a dry climate so cannot advise you but I would say it's worth a try. Make a batch and try it out.
> > I am thinking of doing something like this when I plaster the roof I have onthere now. I have a papercrete roof on each building. On the first one I laid down a good base of slurry then placed blocks into it and covered the whole thing with seems to have worked out OK. On the second building I put down those reed mats they sell at the store. On top of that I put some of that foil wrapped insulation that comes in a roll. I put 3 layers of papercrete over that. It hasn't leaked but is too thin. Some of it has lifted a bit so I'm going to put more papercrete on top of it in the spring. That's where I may add some paint to the mix.
> >
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> > Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
> >
> >
> > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> > From: prrr@
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:31:56 +0000
> > Subject: [papercreters] Re: Papercrete roof panels?
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> > Regards, NT
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> > --- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@> wrote:
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> > > I have done 2 papercrete roofs. I just continued the walls right up and over the top. Pics are in my blog. I have noticed some cracks at corners of doors and around the perimeter of the roof itself. I think adding more cement to the mix would have prevenedt this. I plan to go around and fill all cracks with expandable foam before plastering. I am no expert on this. Just learning as I go along. I would think the Currys in TX had done some papercrete roofs. They are not in this group but have a blog. I will give the link in the next email.
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> > > I also experimented with roof panels. I made them about 30" x 48". I made the form, poured half the slurry, set a piece of wire fence over that (in the middle) then poured the rest. It is important to let it set up completely before moving it. I moved mine too early and they warped.
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> > > Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercretebyjudith.com/blog
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> > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith
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> > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
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> > > From: tatsass@
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> > > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:37:34 -0800
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> > > Subject: Re: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > ..lex terry in new mexico did...
> >
> > > im not sure if he is on this group...
> >
> > > i know he is on facebook ...
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > From: Alan <rustaholic777@>
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> > > To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:41 PM
> >
> > > Subject: [papercreters] Papercrete roof panels?
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> > > Has anyone here done a papercrete shed with a papercrete roof?
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> > > Alan in Michigan
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