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RE: [papercreters] Floor

I don't put anything but cement.  That is one reason I dont cut back on the cement more.  I did an earthen floor in our teepee and kept cutting back on the cement on each batch.  One batch right in the middle didnt get near hard enough.  I didnt think that batch was that much different.  Made me wish I had kept better records.  But it seemed I found the point where it just didnt work.  Of course every soil is different but now I am nervous about using too little cement.  Hope the get-together works out for everybody. Ron --- On Wed, 6/23/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 8:56 PM   Did you put anything under your papercrete floor? Did you add borax or anything to repel pests and mold?   I am psyched to visit. Hope it works out. Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:59:20 -0700 Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor   I like getting straight boards or square steel tubing mounted in the floor as a guide to screed it flat.  I was having trouble getting flat floors till I started doing that.  I intended to take them out when the final coat was done but decided to just leave them and find some more square tubing. Hope you and Ev and Spaceman can come visit. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:53 PM   Thanks Ron. Your information about the floor is very helpful especially the part about the sand and cement to smooth the finish. I was wondering how you would handle the settling of the papercrete. It's hard to get it really even but I would think that with the high cement content you would have minimal shrinkage. I guess I do the papercrete part of the floor as you are doing then even the whole thing out with the mud layer. A visit with Ev and Spaceman there would be great. I am so curious to see what you have done and maybe even get to contribute something. Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:25:42 -0700 Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor   Judith The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the too busy. 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[papercreters] Re: insulated floor

Yes, radon can be a scary issue. I think if pouring a concrete floor around here for a home, because of radon, the building code calls for a membrane of some sort to be placed before (underneath) the concrete to stop the radon from leaking up.

You could always do what is done for grounding house electrical systems (in addition to the ground wire coming from the main line). I saw an electrician bury a copper plate attached to a copper wire outside and then ran the wire to the house electrical fuse box. You could do something similar to that but instead run the wire down into the floor above the radon barrier and gravel, so it's connected to the first clay and sand layer.
Dan

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> what about radon? since we live on decomposing granite that is a issue here. my grand parents place was i believe ~7 foot down til they hit granite when the well was drilled.the house is elevated so there is a couple of feet of dirt before granite.
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[papercreters] Re: insulated floor

Yes, radon can be a scary issue. I think if pouring a concrete floor around here for a home, because of radon, the building code calls for a membrane of some sort to be placed before (underneath) the concrete to stop the radon from leaking up.

You could always do what is done for grounding house electrical systems (in addition to the ground wire coming from the main line). I saw an electrician bury a copper plate attached to a copper wire outside and then ran the wire to the house electrical fuse box. You could do something similar to that but instead run the wire down into the floor above the radon barrier and gravel, so it's connected to the first clay and sand layer.
Dan

--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, "stick0boy" <stick0boy@...> wrote:
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> what about radon? since we live on decomposing granite that is a issue here. my grand parents place was i believe ~7 foot down til they hit granite when the well was drilled.the house is elevated so there is a couple of feet of dirt before granite.
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[papercreters] Re: insulated floor

what about radon? since we live on decomposing granite that is a issue here. my grand parents place was i believe ~7 foot down til they hit granite when the well was drilled.the house is elevated so there is a couple of feet of dirt before granite.

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[papercreters] Re: insulated floor

An electrically insulating floor can prevent a percentage of shocks and fires.

NT

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> The best thing about dirt or concrete floors is that they conduct the electrical charge of the earth. Not sure what latex and papercrete mixes will do to the conductive properties of the floor. David Wolfe talks about the health benefits.
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Re: [papercreters] insulated floor

Although I've never seen a earthen or clay floor there are is a lot of info on the net about them, people seem to really like them. From what I've read there is a problem that they are easy to "scuff or dent, but it's also easy to repair". I think they are beautiful and if I was in the position to have one I would.

http://planetgreen.discovery.com/home-garden/green-home-earthen-floor.html

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/floors-98256-earthen-floor.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_2092103_install-earth-floor.html

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:33 AM, ndgogiraf <ndgogiraf@yahoo.ca> wrote:

 

The best thing about dirt or concrete floors is that they conduct the electrical charge of the earth. Not sure what latex and papercrete mixes will do to the conductive properties of the floor. David Wolfe talks about the health benefits.

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[papercreters] Camron, that is Clare... Canada,

Hi Cameron,   You speak of Clare,  he knows so much and has done so much testing. If you contact him he will fill you in on he knows. He is smart and knows what he is doing.   Calle > > > > > I've read back into the seven thousands and I've only come across a chap > in Grand Prairie AB that is making PC and planned a building for a bible > camp. I'm going to read the whole thing and draw my own conclusions. > Then I suppose I will have quite a few questions. I live in red neck > southern alberta so I think PC might fly down here. A lot of other > provinces have a lot more rules then we do. > I would like to thank the members for all the informative postings and > pictures. > Cameron > >

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Re: [papercreters] Re: Canada,

Greetings,

Since Southern Alberta is also semi dessert, it would be a great choice
for building materials. Good luck.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
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936-395-0110

On 6/24/2010 12:03 AM, ca1205 wrote:
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> I've read back into the seven thousands and I've only come across a chap
> in Grand Prairie AB that is making PC and planned a building for a bible
> camp. I'm going to read the whole thing and draw my own conclusions.
> Then I suppose I will have quite a few questions. I live in red neck
> southern alberta so I think PC might fly down here. A lot of other
> provinces have a lot more rules then we do.
> I would like to thank the members for all the informative postings and
> pictures.
> Cameron
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[papercreters] insulated floor

The best thing about dirt or concrete floors is that they conduct the electrical charge of the earth. Not sure what latex and papercrete mixes will do to the conductive properties of the floor. David Wolfe talks about the health benefits.

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[papercreters] Re: Canada,

I've read back into the seven thousands and I've only come across a chap in Grand Prairie AB that is making PC and planned a building for a bible camp. I'm going to read the whole thing and draw my own conclusions. Then I suppose I will have quite a few questions. I live in red neck southern alberta so I think PC might fly down here. A lot of other provinces have a lot more rules then we do.
I would like to thank the members for all the informative postings and pictures.
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Did you put anything under your papercrete floor? Did you add borax or anything to repel pests and mold?
 
I am psyched to visit. Hope it works out.

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More papercrete info at http://squidoo.com/papercretebyjudith



 

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Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor

 

I like getting straight boards or square steel tubing mounted in the floor as a guide to screed it flat.  I was having trouble getting flat floors till I started doing that.  I intended to take them out when the final coat was done but decided to just leave them and find some more square tubing. Hope you and Ev and Spaceman can come visit. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:53 PM   Thanks Ron. Your information about the floor is very helpful especially the part about the sand and cement to smooth the finish. I was wondering how you would handle the settling of the papercrete. It's hard to get it really even but I would think that with the high cement content you would have minimal shrinkage. I guess I do the papercrete part of the floor as you are doing then even the whole thing out with the mud layer. A visit with Ev and Spaceman there would be great. I am so curious to see what you have done and maybe even get to contribute something. Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:25:42 -0700 Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor   Judith The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how.

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[papercreters] Canada,

just asking if anybody from Canada has built a home up here out of this stuff?And how they did it ?

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I like getting straight boards or square steel tubing mounted in the floor as a guide to screed it flat.  I was having trouble getting flat floors till I started doing that.  I intended to take them out when the final coat was done but decided to just leave them and find some more square tubing. Hope you and Ev and Spaceman can come visit. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:53 PM   Thanks Ron. Your information about the floor is very helpful especially the part about the sand and cement to smooth the finish. I was wondering how you would handle the settling of the papercrete. It's hard to get it really even but I would think that with the high cement content you would have minimal shrinkage. I guess I do the papercrete part of the floor as you are doing then even the whole thing out with the mud layer. A visit with Ev and Spaceman there would be great. I am so curious to see what you have done and maybe even get to contribute something. Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:25:42 -0700 Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor   Judith The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how.

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Hope you guys can figure out a time to come visit. Ron --- On Tue, 6/22/10, Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> wrote: From: Spaceman <Spaceman@starship-enterprises.net> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 9:23 AM   That does sound interesting. It depends on when, since I have several things going on this summer. spaceman All opinions expressed or implied are subject to change without notice upon receipt of new information. On 6/21/2010 3:39 PM, Evelyn Vollmer wrote: I'm hoping to get back to NM sometime in the next few months. Judith, we should try and work it out that we both make a visit to Doris and Ron's to see the progress. Spaceman, interested too? It would be fun, a sort of reunion of the 1st PC Gathering.

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I'm looking forward to trying your formula.  I mixed latex paint with drywall mud hoping it wont flake off of the osb.  It needs a few more coats to hide the seams.  I doubt I will be able to completely blend them in.  Doris just posted some pictures including the ceiling as it is now.  Let me know if you want to see more. Ron --- On Tue, 6/22/10, countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: countryatheartok <criswells.ok@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [papercreters] Re: Floor To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 6:53 AM   Ron, that is the same formula I used for my patio, we are going to tile directly over the smoothed floor (patio). How are you texturing or painting your taped and muded OSB? Could you give a close up photo so I can see your results? In my expermentation for closing up that metal frame window opening for the city work shop, I have come up with a nice formula for filling large holes and areas that are missing plaster (where the plaster has fallen off the clay tile wall) the formula I've come up with is for about 5 gallons, it is about:  1 1/2 gallons of dry wall compound, (the already mixed kind that you can buy in 4lb boxes or 5 gal buckets) 1 1/2 gallons of wet paper pulp, (I am using the blow in insulation for this), and slowly mix in enough dry morter mix (which is just fine sand, portland cement and lime) and about 1 1/2 cups of acrylic (can be latex paint or anything else that contains either) this mix comes out really smooth and sticky, you can toss a small amout (or a large amount) at a crack (up to 2 inches wide) and it will stick like glue and spreads easy, makes repairing plaster easy because the paper pulp acts like fiberglass tape. I am thinking about using it for my finish texture coat using a brush splatter and a knock down method. BTB  --- In papercreters@ yahoogroups. com, Doris Burton <yakishome@.. .> wrote: > > Judith > The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. > Ron > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@ ... wrote: > > > From: JUDITH WILLIAMS williams_judith@ ... > Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor > To: "papercreters papercreters" papercreters@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM > > >   > > > > Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers? >   > I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete. >   > I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing. >   > I'm so glad you are doing well. 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Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. > One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. > More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. > Ron & Doris > > --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> > Subject: [papercreters] Floor > To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM > > >   > > Has anyone done a papercrete floor? > > Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog > > More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith > > > > > > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. > > > > > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. >

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That does sound interesting. It depends on when, since I have several things going on this summer.

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I'm hoping to get back to NM sometime in the next few months. Judith, we should try and work it out that we both make a visit to Doris and Ron's to see the progress. Spaceman, interested too? It would be fun, a sort of reunion of the 1st PC Gathering. 

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• Ron, that is the same formula I used for my patio, we are going to tile directly over the smoothed floor (patio). How are you texturing or painting your taped and muded OSB? Could you give a close up photo so I can see your results? In my expermentation for closing up that metal frame window opening for the city work shop, I have come up with a nice formula for filling large holes and areas that are missing plaster (where the plaster has fallen off the clay tile wall) the formula I've come up with is for about 5 gallons, it is about:
•  1 1/2 gallons of dry wall compound, (the already mixed kind that you can buy in 4lb boxes or 5 gal buckets)
• 1 1/2 gallons of wet paper pulp, (I am using the blow in insulation for this), and slowly mix in enough dry morter mix (which is just fine sand, portland cement and lime)
• and about 1 1/2 cups of acrylic (can be latex paint or anything else that contains either) this mix comes out really smooth and sticky, you can toss a small amout (or a large amount) at a crack (up to 2 inches wide) and it will stick like glue and spreads easy, makes repairing plaster easy because the paper pulp acts like fiberglass tape. I am thinking about using it for my finish texture coat using a brush splatter and a knock down method.

BTB 
--- In papercreters@yahoogroups.com, Doris Burton <yakishome@...> wrote:
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> Judith
> The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix.
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Thanks Ron. Your information about the floor is very helpful especially the part about the sand and cement to smooth the finish. I was wondering how you would handle the settling of the papercrete. It's hard to get it really even but I would think that with the high cement content you would have minimal shrinkage. I guess I do the papercrete part of the floor as you are doing then even the whole thing out with the mud layer.

A visit with Ev and Spaceman there would be great. I am so curious to see what you have done and maybe even get to contribute something.

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Judith The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.

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Ev, that sounds like a great idea, we have plenty of room for anyone who would like to stay over night. We might like even mix up a load of papercrete :) Doris --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Evelyn Vollmer <evelynanne8@gmail.com> wrote: From: Evelyn Vollmer <evelynanne8@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor To: papercreters@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 3:39 PM   I'm hoping to get back to NM sometime in the next few months. Judith, we should try and work it out that we both make a visit to Doris and Ron's to see the progress. Spaceman, interested too? It would be fun, a sort of reunion of the 1st PC Gathering. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote:   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -- "If you give yourself fully to this moment the next moment will turn out just right." - Sequoyah Trueblood

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Judith The floor is about three inches thick and the formula I came up with is one-half standard concrete mix and one half papercrete.  You could probably cut back on the cement.  I haven't experimented that much with it.  I form sections and drag a board across the forms.  After that sets up with the forms still in place I put a sand and cement mix on and drag the board across again to get a smoother finish if I am not putting a wooden subfloor on it.  I am not sure how far you can stretch the cement in an earth floor mix. Ron --- On Mon, 6/21/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:56 AM   Thanks Doris. Is the high cement content so you can nail into it? How thick is the floor before you put the wood floor on? Is he doing it in sections or layers?   I am just about to finish the walls of my second little building and will go back to the roof on the one you guys helped me with. I'm thinking it would be good to get a papercrete subfloor in this summer so I can finish both buildings by winter. I know that usually the floor is the last thing to do but I want it to have time to harden up and I figure we can cover it while we do the interior plaster. I plan to put a mud floor over the papercrete.   I've sort of been keeping an informal tally of what this building has cost me and I think it's only about $500 so far. That's mostly for the cement. I haven't really had to pay for anything else. And I already have all my windows, doors, appliances, water heater, plumbing fixtures etc, so it should be a very inexpensive project. And of course the volunteer labor is a huge thing.   I'm so glad you are doing well. Wish I could get down there for a visit. Maybe some day. Thanks again for all your help.       Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith   To: papercreters@ yahoogroups. com From: yakishome@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:16:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [papercreters] Floor   Ronnie has been doing our bedroom floor with half concrete and half paper pulp. Seems to be doing fine we will lay a wooden sub floor over that then hard wood floors. One nice thing about this mix is that you can nail in to it. More photo's of project to go on the site when it comes back up. Ron & Doris --- On Fri, 6/18/10, JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: JUDITH WILLIAMS <williams_judith@ hotmail.com> Subject: [papercreters] Floor To: "papercreters papercreters" <papercreters@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM   Has anyone done a papercrete floor? Follow progress on the new project at http://www.papercre tebyjudith. com/blog More papercrete info at http://squidoo. com/papercreteby judith Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.

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